#editorial | Logs for 2014-04-06

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[02:45:19] * n1 shakes fist at the sky
[02:46:27] <MrBluze> those damn satellites
[02:48:19] <n1> that too
[02:49:07] <n1> janrinok spelling corrected a dept title on one the stories i edited. the mistake was intentional and now it's correct, just not even mildly funny :p
[02:49:16] <n1> which im not saying it was funny in the first place.
[02:49:21] <MrBluze> oh
[02:49:43] <n1> i can't blame him for it, but it's just annoying when i sit there trying to think up something almost witty
[02:49:49] <n1> and then it gets spell checked!
[02:51:05] <n1> [SoylentNews] - Google Stock Split Complete - http://sylnt.us - google-share-price-spike-expected <<<<< was supposed to be 'gogle' in reference to share in companies with names similar to Oculus VR got a huge spike in price by association.
[02:51:46] <MrBluze> i know
[02:51:53] <MrBluze> editing needs to be a bit more refined
[02:52:02] <MrBluze> we should be able to leave comments next to edits for other editors
[02:52:52] <n1> wouldnt be a bad idea, i'm not really complaining, it's working as it's supposed to, to an extent
[02:52:56] <n1> as we're checking each other
[02:53:28] <n1> but being able to leave an internal 'note' would be a nifty feature
[02:56:28] <MrBluze> well a diff
[02:56:36] <MrBluze> maybe diff view
[02:56:41] <MrBluze> so u an see - and + lines
[02:56:48] <MrBluze> and a # after each line
[02:57:14] <n1> that would work
[02:58:09] <n1> ive been in and out since the update but i have to say... major improvements, making editing life a lot easier!
[03:06:51] <MrBluze> yes
[03:07:03] <MrBluze> u know about the staff slash?
[03:10:44] <n1> yeah i do
[03:10:51] <MrBluze> ok :)
[03:11:18] <n1> hopefully that works out too and makes communication a bit more straight forward
[03:17:16] <MrBluze> i think so
[03:17:26] <MrBluze> it will be a bit better in that it will traverse time zones
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[06:46:06] <mrcoolbp> any editors around?
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[13:11:10] <janrinok> hi guys
[15:49:20] <n1> hi janrinok
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[16:40:11] <janrinok> n1 you still around?
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[16:47:33] <janrinok> hi mrcoolbp
[16:47:44] <mrcoolbp> hello hello
[16:47:51] <janrinok> how's things?
[16:48:06] <mrcoolbp> good, my dad's second story was accepted today = )
[16:48:20] <janrinok> I still haven't worked out who it is!
[16:49:16] <mrcoolbp> = )
[16:49:45] <janrinok> did it get changed mjucn
[16:49:58] <mrcoolbp> ?
[16:50:03] <janrinok> ..much or is it how he submitted it?
[16:50:53] <mrcoolbp> hmm, how do you look at old submissions?
[16:51:17] <janrinok> ah, good point
[16:51:44] <mrcoolbp> someone linked to an old one, so they exist somewhere...
[16:51:55] <janrinok> I suspect that they get archived somewhere but I don't know where.
[16:51:55] <mrcoolbp> h/o I think I know...
[16:53:48] <mrcoolbp> nope, can't find it
[16:54:12] <mrcoolbp> if you go to a user's page, it lists their submissiong (and whether accepted/rejected)
[16:54:17] <janrinok> no, I've never found one either.
[16:54:27] <mrcoolbp> if you go to a rejected link it takes you to the original submission
[16:54:36] <janrinok> ah OK
[16:54:42] <mrcoolbp> BUT if you go to an accepted link, it takes you to the posted story
[16:55:14] <janrinok> which makes sense I suppose from the point of view of the site
[16:56:04] <Bytram> I have a URL somewhere, hold on...
[16:56:56] <janrinok> hi Bytram
[16:57:06] <Bytram> janrinok: hi!
[16:57:21] <janrinok> keeping busy?
[16:58:32] <Bytram> oh yeah!!!!! trying to get a few things done before I head in for my day job.
[16:58:58] <janrinok> when do you have time off?
[17:00:47] <Bytram> if you know about when the story was submitted, you can play around changing the value in "subid=" in this url: http://soylentnews.org
[17:01:00] <Bytram> the "1020" gets you to a story submitted on 2014-0402
[17:01:05] <Bytram> the "1020" gets you to a story submitted on 2014-04-02
[17:01:37] <Bytram> I have no fixed schedule; it's different every week; sometimes mornings; sometimes evenings
[17:01:56] <janrinok> thx for that tip - I didn't know that.
[17:02:38] <mrcoolbp> bytram: that's for the submission ID
[17:03:23] <mrcoolbp> oh I found it!
[17:03:37] <mrcoolbp> if you edit the story there's a link called "submission" (duh!)
[17:04:58] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: I'm not seeing it
[17:05:24] <janrinok> found!
[17:07:42] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: so was your dad's submission passed pretty unscathed?
[17:07:53] <mrcoolbp> checking now janrinok
[17:09:10] <mrcoolbp> looks like we just stripped out one of his links, not sure why, let me check the link
[17:10:26] <mrcoolbp> well seems alright, anyway the answer janrinok is mostly "yes" it passed unscathed
[17:10:40] <janrinok> was I the ed?
[17:12:28] <mrcoolbp> you passed off on it
[17:13:01] <janrinok> I can only recall deleting 1 link during the last 24 hours or so, and that was simply because it pointed to the news report which had copied the second link verbatim. The second link was the original so the news item was superfluous
[17:13:23] <mrcoolbp> must have been the original editor then
[17:14:24] <janrinok> On the second pass I only check that the links work, and that there are no glaring errors. If you re-edit too much you end up with ed v ed battles which serve no purpose.
[17:14:57] <mrcoolbp> yeah, I messed with one of your articles last night a tiny bit = )
[17:15:10] <mrcoolbp> just changed the wording on a few things though
[17:15:17] <janrinok> np - that's what the second pair of eyes is for!
[17:15:21] <mrcoolbp> http://soylentnews.org
[17:15:53] <mrcoolbp> the 4 links in the middle were written "And x is here, and y is here" so I just edited a little
[17:16:06] <mrcoolbp> hope you don't mind
[17:16:27] <mrcoolbp> Kinda dislike the "...is here:" [link] format
[17:16:30] <janrinok> not at all - that's what we are supposed to do.
[17:17:37] <janrinok> I've had a few stories this week that, looking back at, are not my best pieces of work.
[17:18:17] <mrcoolbp> well you are overworked my friend
[17:18:25] <mrcoolbp> se la vie (sp?)
[17:18:35] <janrinok> c'est la vie
[17:18:55] <mrcoolbp> ah
[17:18:57] <janrinok> lit - that's life
[17:18:57] <mrcoolbp> that
[17:19:01] <mrcoolbp> right
[17:19:08] <mrcoolbp> I was close
[17:19:48] <janrinok> a favourite response of shop keepers who never have what you want in stock....
[17:22:25] <mrcoolbp> how's your french? pretty good at this point?
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[17:23:54] <janrinok> Rubbish if you ask a local, but I can get by. I used to find languages easy, Russian, German, Croatian, all qualified at a high level. French - I don't suppose I've put the effort in but my days seem to fly by with looking after my wife etc.
[17:24:48] <janrinok> which reminds me - I'd better go and get a meal ready for us both.
[17:25:18] <mrcoolbp> okay, I gotta run to work soon, see you later
[17:25:34] <janrinok> yeah, have a good one. cul8r
[17:25:48] <mrcoolbp> you too!
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[20:45:32] <n1> wb janrinok
[20:51:57] <janrinok> n1 how's things
[20:53:32] <janrinok> n1: I've just missed you a few times today. I've seen you posting mut not been able to contact you.
[20:56:28] <n1> i've been out and about, just dropping in to post stories when i can
[20:56:34] <n1> things are 'ok'
[20:56:37] <n1> how are you doing?
[20:57:21] <janrinok> good I think. had a busy day but can relax a bit now
[20:58:40] <n1> today is a r&r day for me, exhausted to be honest
[21:00:23] <janrinok> well you have been working quite hard recently. Have you heard the latest from mattie_p?
[21:00:45] <n1> maybe, ive been roughly keeping up with the emails?
[21:01:32] <janrinok> operation a success, his daughter ate a 'popsicle' today, and they hope to have her on her feet in the next day or so. Good news there.
[21:02:20] <n1> thats great :) i saw the email that she went into hospital, very glad to hear she's improving
[21:02:50] <janrinok> had part of her pancreas removed - not sure of the long term implications for that.
[21:03:18] <n1> major surgery then, i didn't know the details. just that she wasn't well and then went to hospital
[21:03:23] <janrinok> My wife and I wish her and her parents the very best of course.
[21:03:36] <xlefay> you guys checked the staff-slash?
[21:03:44] <janrinok> as a result of a bicycle accident I believe
[21:03:52] <n1> indeed
[21:03:53] <xlefay> correct
[21:04:08] <janrinok> xlefay: _another_ window to monitor! thx xlefay
[21:04:51] <xlefay> _another_ window?
[21:05:03] <n1> i registered at staffslash but i dont have kerberos login or what ever?
[21:05:16] <xlefay> I just meant the first post on the staff-slash might be interesting
[21:05:31] <janrinok> thx xlefay
[21:05:39] <xlefay> n1, send me a mail; and create some ssh keys if you can (janrinok, you too, least if you want to be able to change your pass that is)
[21:07:27] <n1> anything in the mail?
[21:08:05] <janrinok> xlefay: ok
[21:08:27] <xlefay> besides the public key? nah
[21:08:49] <xlefay> do set the subject to 'Kerberos' please, that way I can filter on that subject and *not* forget people
[21:09:13] <n1> ok
[21:09:14] <n1> will do
[21:11:28] <n1> everything ok with the editing, janrinok, as i havnt been here i havn't given people the opportunity to berate me :p
[21:15:18] <janrinok> Yeah, I think so. The usual small number of people complaining that the stories are wrong, too big, too small, all eds should be put down at birth, the site sucks, its not a dupe but it could have been, and who submits this crap anyway?
[21:15:40] <janrinok> Other than that, everything is normal
[21:16:01] <n1> lol
[21:16:42] <n1> xlefay, xlefay@soylentnews.org?
[21:17:04] <xlefay> You're all insensitive clods if you ask me
[21:17:12] <xlefay> Yes, that would work ;)
[21:17:19] <xlefay> (kidding, of course')
[21:17:39] <janrinok> xlefay: join the queue....
[21:17:54] <xlefay> LOL
[21:17:57] <xlefay> !grab janrinok
[21:17:57] <SlimShady> Added quote 2
[21:18:46] <xlefay> Only two quotes here.. you guys are no fun.
[21:19:00] <n1> lol
[21:20:44] <janrinok> now were being told we're no fun - eds just can't win!
[21:20:49] <n1> i had gishzida school me yesterday on my "Intel Open Source" post, and i'll be honest i lost the energy to fight back. slightly irritated by that post being a soyvertisement
[21:21:24] <n1> when he submitted a story about an open-hardware laptop
[21:21:29] <n1> just cant win ¬_¬
[21:21:43] <xlefay> ah cheer up guys, you're awesome :)
[21:21:51] <n1> lol
[21:22:08] <janrinok> what was he saying - there were lots of comments, but most of them were saying too expensive and not wanted.
[21:22:45] <janrinok> xlefay: we know, we know, but if you don't behave I'll start asking you numpty questions about IRC again...
[21:22:57] <n1> i didnt read his submission, but he called me out on accepting what was basically a product announcement from an anon coward
[21:23:21] <xlefay> janrinok, no worries, I've got the manuals standing by to copy & paste from!
[21:23:23] <n1> and that it didnt have a third-party source, which i thought techcrunch would be classified as, even if they were getting paid to put the story up
[21:23:28] <janrinok> Rubbish - it was about crowdsourcing - it isn't even a product yet!
[21:23:41] <n1> thats his story
[21:23:52] <n1> he was complaining before that about a story from an anon-coward
[21:23:54] <janrinok> tell him to submit a better version!
[21:24:01] <n1> "Minnowboard Max: Open-Source Computer from Intel "
[21:24:18] <janrinok> I think I did that one.
[21:24:27] <n1> you did his one
[21:24:37] <n1> abou the open hardware trying to get crowd sourcing going
[21:24:52] <janrinok> I'm not losing sleep over it.
[21:25:01] <n1> nor am i
[21:25:22] <n1> it just slightly annoyed me, slow news day, picking holes that wernt necessary
[21:25:33] <n1> and then the hypocrisy of submitting a different variation on product announcement
[21:25:40] <n1> to be published a few hours after he complained about it
[21:27:36] <n1> i'll just stop reading the comments on my posts :p
[21:31:29] <janrinok> n1 how the hell do you generate the keys?
[21:31:47] <n1> ssh keys?
[21:32:16] <janrinok> well my pub ssh keys don't look like the ones that others have attached to their emails.
[21:32:30] <janrinok> they work fine for my internal network
[21:32:43] <xlefay> do they start with "--- BEGIN SSH2..."
[21:32:56] <xlefay> ?
[21:33:03] <janrinok> no ssh-rsa
[21:33:12] <xlefay> you're on linux.. so: cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub
[21:33:26] <xlefay> yeah ssh-rsa is right
[21:33:42] <janrinok> cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub
[21:34:00] <janrinok> ?
[21:34:09] <xlefay> ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAADAQABAAAIAQDEsrSq1Q6Pq8GiPxO8xoG/aeKFjH29eCzcAtzbFxZQyNMrtkra80nnPwCYzLPrSpeO04+eqKBa+db5ckV+uPIetn9NBwJB/AuQPocFKpUlVq<a whole lot more> that' how mine starts
[21:34:31] <xlefay> https://github.com <-- that's how mine looks exactly; yours if probably shorter
[21:35:22] <xlefay> Yeah, /home/<your_user>/.ssh/id_rsa.pub is often where your public key is stored
[21:38:15] <xlefay> janrinok, does that make sense?
[21:39:14] <janrinok> yes sorry just looking after my wife a moment brb
[21:41:06] <janrinok> xlefay: yes, but that will mean I will have to always use the same computer. I have more than 1!
[21:41:43] <xlefay> Well, you need an SSH key in order to connect to SSH; and in order to change your kerberos password, you need to be connected to SSH
[21:41:57] <janrinok> bum
[21:42:09] <xlefay> Most of us have a (dedicated) USB key for their ssh key :P
[21:43:27] <janrinok> Well, I've sent it to you. thx
[21:43:39] <xlefay> ok :)
[21:43:47] <xlefay> ssh-rsa right? (just to confirm)
[21:43:53] <janrinok> yep
[21:44:11] * xlefay opens an SSH session
[21:44:29] <xlefay> if you & n1 are around for a few minutes longer I'll PM you when I've set up your accounts
[21:44:35] <janrinok> thx
[21:44:44] <n1> cool
[21:45:08] <xlefay> In the mean time, feel free to read: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[21:45:09] <n1> btw, xlefay, can you change my email on the mailing list to n1@soylentnews.org - please?
[21:45:20] <xlefay> it'll save you a whole lot of problems
[21:45:35] <xlefay> n1, just unsubscribe from the list and subscribe ns1@soylentnews.org
[21:46:01] <xlefay> That's exactly how I'd have to do it too
[21:46:22] <n1> ok
[21:47:12] <n1> i mean the staff one, where would i find the page to do that
[21:47:37] <n1> or is there no real point as things are changing with the new staff site
[21:47:45] <janrinok> n1, you are welcome to join my numpty club of a million things that I don't know.
[21:49:01] <n1> haha
[21:49:08] <janrinok> I'd never used kerberos, IRC, HTML or a wiki until I joined this site!
[21:49:42] <janrinok> You won't find any of them on board modern military aircraft!
[21:50:13] <xlefay> n1 check a mailing list e-maill, at the bottom there'll be a link
[21:50:26] <n1> ok, thanks xlefay
[21:50:29] <xlefay> you can both connect to SSH (use the access instructions)
[21:50:36] <xlefay> you can both only connect to boron btw
[21:50:36] <janrinok> ok
[21:50:51] <n1> can't say im surprised, janrinok, although i do think IRC is underutilized
[21:51:11] <xlefay> Setting up Kerberos now, will PM you with your password in a sec; when you have your password; you type: kinit # paste the password when it prompts you, you won't see it
[21:51:14] <xlefay> afterwards: kpasswd
[21:51:19] <xlefay> and change your pass
[21:51:28] <n1> will i need to connect to it for anything other than that?
[21:52:01] <xlefay> afterwards, confirm by signing in to: https://sentinel.soylentnews.org and try your username/pass combination if all went well, profit! if not, *mumbles something*
[21:52:01] <janrinok> xlefay: (permission denied, gssapi-keyex, gssapi-with-mic)
[21:52:13] <xlefay> janrinok, use your key to connect
[21:52:27] <janrinok> I did!
[21:52:31] <xlefay> I verified that ldap has your keys correctly so, $ ssh-add ~/.ssh/id_rsa
[21:52:44] <xlefay> what username are you using?
[21:53:01] * xlefay logs in to boron and checks the logs
[21:53:04] <janrinok> K
[21:53:10] <janrinok> too many computers!
[21:53:21] <xlefay> Accepted publickey for janrinok
[21:53:30] <xlefay> you're connected now then xD
[21:53:34] <janrinok> yep I'm in now.
[21:53:45] <xlefay> n1, use username 'n1'
[21:54:56] <n1> yeah im in
[21:55:16] <n1> good ol' PuTTy, it's been a while
[21:57:52] <xlefay> let me know if you guys have profit or failure
[21:58:22] <n1> it doesnt like the password you pm'd
[21:58:26] <n1> but that might be me
[21:58:29] <janrinok> ok, I'm wearing my 'not-very-bright' hat. I'm in to boron but so what? How does it help me log on to the site where I do all my work?
[21:59:18] <xlefay> <xlefay> Setting up Kerberos now, will PM you with your password in a sec; when you have your password; you type: kinit # paste the password when it prompts you, you won't see it
[21:59:20] <xlefay> <xlefay> afterwards: kpasswd
[21:59:22] <xlefay> <xlefay> and change your pass
[21:59:40] <xlefay> so you can access the staff-only slash, once we enable the kerberos auth for it
[22:02:32] <n1> right i think im all done
[22:02:48] <xlefay> you confirmed it all working as per:
[22:02:54] <xlefay> <xlefay> afterwards, confirm by signing in to: https://sentinel.soylentnews.org and try your username/pass combination if all went well, profit! if not, *mumbles something*
[22:03:07] <n1> psh, there's always something
[22:03:09] <n1> :P
[22:03:51] <n1> yup, im in
[22:04:00] <janrinok> me too
[22:04:38] <xlefay> Good, then you're now Kerberos certified!
[22:04:57] <janrinok> I shall where it as badge, with pride...
[22:05:00] <janrinok> wear*
[22:05:37] <n1> right below your numpty club badge? ;p
[22:05:49] <janrinok> next to, it's that important!
[22:05:54] <n1> wow
[22:05:57] <xlefay> or the "'they' won't get me"-badge?
[22:06:26] <janrinok> no, that one is on top but I cover it over so 'they' don't spot it...
[22:07:23] <xlefay> Good thinking!
[22:07:56] <janrinok> I've never been accused of 'thinking' before....
[22:08:50] <xlefay> It's just a sentiment, don't take it personally!
[22:08:54] <janrinok> lol
[22:08:55] <n1> lol
[22:09:54] <n1> having a 1 digit uid on staff makes me feel better about having a 3 digit one on the main site, so it evens out to a 2 :p
[22:11:15] <janrinok> I'm having to rethink how to do my editing task now. I normally use 2 computers, with a total of 3 screens, so that I can see what is going on. Now, only one of my machines is 'kerberosable', so I'm going to spend a lot more time flicking between displays.
[22:11:56] <xlefay> janrinok, no
[22:12:06] <n1> you shouldnt need it, unless you want to change the password
[22:12:06] <xlefay> You can ssh only from the machines that have your ssh key
[22:12:07] <n1> afaik?
[22:12:11] <xlefay> yeah, n1 is right
[22:13:49] <janrinok> so the access is linked to my IP and not to a specific machine?
[22:14:53] <janrinok> I normally have the main site, dev and IRC set up. I now need to add the new staff site.
[22:15:15] <xlefay> no
[22:15:20] <xlefay> the access is linked to ssh key
[22:15:30] <janrinok> so that is to one machine only
[22:39:27] <janrinok> xlefay: Having scoured the logs, emails and other bits and pieces, I was under the impression that kerberos would allow a single log-in to one site effectively log me in to each of the others. Have I misunderstood this point. And, if I have, what do I gain by having my key in kerberos?
[22:39:46] <xlefay> ehm, that's actually for ssh
[22:40:05] <xlefay> e.g. you're at boron, you kinit; and you can 'ssh another-node' without re-authenticating
[22:40:20] <xlefay> as for sites, it can do that if the browser supports it but don't quote me on that
[22:40:39] <janrinok> so, as I never use ssh to access the servers at that level, it hasn't given me any advantage so far?
[22:41:26] <xlefay> No, and it won't besides allowing you access to chillax
[22:41:45] <xlefay> Chillax will soon require kerberos auth; for you, it's not that beneficial, for others of us; extremely so
[22:41:49] <janrinok> which I could always do using my original username and password?
[22:42:25] <xlefay> @ chillax? No
[22:42:38] <janrinok> OK thanks. Sorry if these are silly question to you but I thought I was going to get something different. My bad.
[22:42:39] <xlefay> We'll be shielding it from the public, thus you need to authenticate before you can even view the site
[22:42:51] <xlefay> No worries, don't mind answering questions
[22:43:49] <janrinok> right, my brain is full for today. time to go to bed. Cheers all! And thx again xlefay
[22:44:01] <xlefay> no worries, sleep well ;-)
[22:44:07] <xlefay> and remember
[22:44:13] <xlefay> don't let 'them' catch you!
[22:44:22] <janrinok> 'they' won't!
[22:44:44] <janrinok> I've given them Barrabas' address though....
[22:45:15] <xlefay> LOL
[22:45:18] <n1> hah
[22:45:18] <xlefay> janrinok++
[22:45:18] <SlimShady> karma - janrinok: 1
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[23:18:11] <n1> aaaaaaand im out. i'll be posting stories when i can but maybe not on irc for a couple days or what ever
[23:18:34] <xlefay> ok
[23:18:36] <xlefay> good luck :<
[23:18:39] <xlefay> I'll miss you
[23:18:48] <xlefay> *adds some crying to make it dramatic*
[23:19:03] <xlefay> ha, take care n1 ;)
[23:19:16] <n1> lol
[23:19:20] <n1> always a pleasure, xlefay ;)
[23:19:39] <xlefay> same ! :) take care now
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