#editorial | Logs for 2014-03-26
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[00:00:52] <mrcoolbp> n1, I'm still adding to it, it will have a little more in it in about 20 minutes
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[00:14:27] <chromas> Unlike comments, the submissions form doesn't seem to allow html entities for Unicode chars. Is it possible to add them during the editing process?
[00:23:18] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: you still around?
[00:23:57] <mrcoolbp> yup
[00:24:04] <mrcoolbp> for a little while
[00:24:20] <janrinok> doc's now gone - you were asking how to add the comments to the sub list?
[00:25:26] <mrcoolbp> yes
[00:25:26] <janrinok> You simply type whatever you want into the left hand column adjacent to the appropriate story, then press 'Update' at the bottom of the page.
[00:25:34] <mrcoolbp> ah
[00:25:37] <mrcoolbp> duh
[00:25:52] <n1> sometimes it's too obvious it has to be a trick ;)
[00:27:49] <janrinok> to Delete something, select it using the small box immediately to the right of the drop down list which currently says 'Main Page' for the submission in question, and then select 'Delete' at the bottom. You can delete multiple files of course. Use carefully - there is no undo!
[00:28:48] <janrinok> Merge, I haven't used yet, but I suspect that you select 2 subs and press Merge - BUT check that one with LamX first. I could be talking crap at this point.
[00:32:09] <janrinok> I'm going to leave soon - got a day of hospital appointments for tomorrow for my wife. But, any other questions before I go?
[00:33:32] <janrinok> chromas: Unicode is a pain when editing submissions. I try to remove as much as possible. I haven't found an easy way of doing it - but that might be my limitation rather than a system problem.
[00:34:09] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: thanks, I currently have nothing but I'm sure I will have question soon
[00:35:41] <janrinok> well I've got a few minutes if anything springs to mind. I think you lesson with LamX will be of more benefit than anything that I have given you today.
[00:40:51] <mrcoolbp> well it's still much appreciated
[00:41:07] <janrinok> np - I'm off now, cheers all!
[00:41:12] <mrcoolbp> later!
[00:41:21] <mrcoolbp> whoa!
[00:41:24] <mrcoolbp> n1:
[00:41:27] <mrcoolbp> facebook bought Oculus rifht?
[00:41:32] <mrcoolbp> rift*
[00:41:42] <n1> yeah apparently, there was discussion on this in the main channel
[00:41:56] <janrinok> what is Oculus Rift?
[00:42:12] <n1> Oculus VR is the company i think
[00:42:14] <mrcoolbp> shit slashdot ran the story already....
[00:42:16] <n1> it's a virtual reality thing
[00:42:31] <n1> Oculus Rift was their first game/tech demo from my limited knowledge
[00:43:00] <n1> according to wiki oculus rift is actually the hardware
[00:43:06] <janrinok> We ran a story about Oculus Rift in our first few days - although no connection with FB then.
[00:43:21] <mrcoolbp> looks like it just happened today
[00:43:40] <n1> yeah it did
[00:43:43] <janrinok> forget the other site - we had it weeks ago - lol
[00:43:46] <n1> announced today
[00:45:23] <janrinok> bye guys (again)
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[00:45:43] <n1> $91mil invested, $75mil later... two years after the start - $2bn to FB, before a product is even released
[00:48:07] <n1> the founders have success behind them, and people seem to like having John Carmack attatched
[00:50:28] <n1> its a real shame, i have a feeling it wont reach its potential now
[01:05:14] <mrcoolbp> yeah agreed
[01:10:39] <n1> the founders have shown form though, in 2011 they sold their previous venture to autodesk
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[04:12:35] <LaminatorX> Hey there. Stories are lookin good, fellas.
[04:13:00] <LaminatorX> I see you're in the fast ping story, n1. You want to try posting it. I'll give it a look over.
[04:13:59] <LaminatorX> That second sentance was supposed to be a question. :)
[04:19:36] <mrcoolbp> n1: ^^^
[04:20:22] <mrcoolbp> LaminatorX, Thanks but I managed to post a pipedot story (word for word summary) and broke Betterige's rule alreayd
[04:22:03] <mrcoolbp> LaminatorX BTW: maybe we should ask gungnirsniper if he is submitting identical articles to pipedot? It was his submission.
[04:22:51] <LaminatorX> Well, best to get those out of the way sooner rather than later, mrcoolbp. :)
[04:23:08] <mrcoolbp> heh
[04:24:36] <LaminatorX> I'm not super worried about cross submissions to |., we're on very friendly terms with them.
[04:25:43] <mrcoolbp> true but there was a damning comment calling it out, I'm just saying if he's an editor here, maybe we can ask him not to cross-post identical summaries..
[04:26:13] <LaminatorX> It should be discouraged, yes.
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[04:43:31] <MrBluze> idea for editors: automate cross-checking of summaries to see which websites come up with verbatim copies on google
[04:44:09] <LaminatorX> That would be handy. There's already a siilar function in place for the dupe checker.
[04:45:05] <MrBluze> .. what do universities use as a check for originality?
[04:45:41] <LaminatorX> Paid services, generally.
[04:47:57] <LaminatorX> I need to head to bed. Can you post two more to get us through til morning. I'll pick up the torch then.
[04:48:19] <LaminatorX> Again, that second sentance was to have been a question.
[04:49:31] <MrBluze> oh, yes
[04:49:32] <MrBluze> i am at work
[04:49:42] <MrBluze> i can start editing in about 3/4 hours
[04:49:56] <MrBluze> my time window is actually in about 6 hrs from now normally
[04:50:01] <MrBluze> but i will :)
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[04:51:02] <mrcoolbp> Hey GungnirSniper
[04:51:23] <MrBluze> sleep well LaminatorX
[04:51:25] <GungnirSniper> Salut.
[04:52:15] <GungnirSniper> My first reaction on seeing the submissions queue - Holy gods this is what gets submitted?
[04:52:31] <mrcoolbp> gungnirSniper: did you happen to cross-post the e-cig story (with the exact same summary) to |. ?
[04:52:31] <LaminatorX> Hey there, GS. Welcome to the terrordome.
[04:52:39] <mrcoolbp> yeah I had a similar reaction
[04:53:09] <MrBluze> yeah .. but sometimes the submission is a lead to a more interesting story
[04:53:15] <MrBluze> ppl don't try very hard i think
[04:53:48] <mrcoolbp> the transatlantic ping one actually yields some interesting reads with a little help from google
[04:54:51] <LaminatorX> One od Barrabas's best ideas, for which there thankfully remains some momentum, is to eventually be able to give feedback and maybe ask for revisions on submissions.
[04:55:15] <LaminatorX> That's a long way off, but the idea is to become something of a writing talent incubator in the long run.
[04:55:17] <GungnirSniper> I hope so, I added a few comments to stories in the queue today.
[04:55:58] <mrcoolbp> GungnirSniper: I think if the summary is word for word and we post it also, it doesn't look very good, it's generally discouraged
[04:58:11] <MrBluze> ok i am going to edit and prepare the dumbphone/smartphone article
[04:58:37] <mrcoolbp> gungnirSniper, are you /msg ing me?
[05:01:43] <LaminatorX> I'm at work then but I can do IRC at the office and it's usually pretty quiet before lunch. Let's do tomorrow, fridays are busier.
[05:02:56] <mrcoolbp> GungnirSniper: well, LaminatorX would be the one to tell you if it's a problem or not, I'm not sure. I only brought it up because I've seen people saying it should be discouraged, and also we get this: http://soylentnews.org
[05:03:43] <LaminatorX> It's not a huge deal, but it does lead to accusations of scraping like the comment above.
[05:04:58] <LaminatorX> I'm not going to tell anyone that they have to give us an exclusive on a story or whatever, but it is good form to change it up a bit if you're submitting to multiple places, out of courtesy.
[05:05:29] <MrBluze> if i redo a submission completely.. can I change it to "username points out an article from ..."
[05:05:57] <LaminatorX> Absolutely. That's how I wrap a lot of AnonTechie's stuff.
[05:06:01] <MrBluze> ok
[05:06:37] <LaminatorX> Alright. I really did mean to go bed. Goonight everyone, and I'm super-psyched to have the fresh faces on the team. Thank you all.
[05:08:00] <MrBluze> :)
[05:08:31] <mrcoolbp> goodnight LaminatorX!
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[05:12:20] <MrBluze> hmm.. no.. the smart phone / dumb phone article is boring as batsh*t
[05:13:41] <GungnirSniper> Also, pretty anecdotal.
[05:13:51] <MrBluze> yeah its too obvious
[05:14:10] <MrBluze> it's like the recent dilbert comics .. the boring guy saying "Did I tell you about the time I saw a potato..."
[05:14:39] <GungnirSniper> "Mah grandpah got a new dumbfone and so did my aunt so Android is dying."
[05:14:56] <MrBluze> well it contradicts itself
[05:15:07] <MrBluze> it says.. smartphone use is rising.. but here we have one person who doesnt own one.. amazing
[05:16:26] <MrBluze> the military war games / board games is better.. i do that one i think
[05:29:18] <mrcoolbp> I'm out for the night guys, I've been on way too long today
[05:29:25] <mrcoolbp> goodnight
[05:29:25] <MrBluze> im getting an error with admin.pl
[05:29:28] <MrBluze> gnite mrcoolbp
[05:29:56] <MrBluze> connection reset .. hmm
[05:29:56] <mrcoolbp> = )
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[05:32:41] <MrBluze> okay so when i finish editing an article .. i save it and wait for sign off right?
[05:33:51] <MrBluze> what does the display checkbox do
[05:48:11] <MrBluze> nvm.. ill have to fix whatever i did wrong next time
[05:48:15] <MrBluze> it will be ok
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[13:27:10] <stderr> http://soylentnews.org No department?
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[13:56:05] <xyzzyyzzyx> stderr: Topic listed as 'News'
[13:57:02] <stderr> Maybe another editor could add a department?
[14:05:21] <xyzzyyzzyx> not sure if things already promoted can be altered. I know they can't be deleted.
[14:16:12] <bytram> xyzzyyzzyx, I don't know, either. But, I am sure that a story can be altered once it hits the main page. Don't know if the dept can be changed at that point, though.
[14:17:35] <bytram> xyzzyyzzyx, am trying a test on the dev server...
[14:33:14] <stderr> bytram: It has been done before.
[14:33:59] <xyzzyyzzyx> bytram: ok
[14:34:25] <bytram> stderr, thanks for that! I was just coming to that conclusion... (the UI for the admin side of things is, umm, poor. :)
[14:34:39] <stderr> Yeah, I have heard that before. :-)
[14:35:36] <bytram> yup, go into the pending queue, select the story, and it looks like I can change things.
[14:38:01] <bytram> strange... "The server encountered an internal error or misconfigutation and was unable to complete your request."... hit back in FireFox... and now it's "unresponsive" and pegged my CPU @ 100%
[14:39:58] <bytram> "Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 13:35:11 GMT Server: Apache/1.3.2 (Unix)mod_perl/1.31 Connection: close Transfer-Encoding: chumked Content-Type: text/.html; charset=iso-8859-1"
[14:42:29] <bytram> have to restart firefox... blegh!
[14:43:54] <bytram> Pop goes the [fire] weasel!
[14:59:28] <xyzzyyzzyx> o u c h
[15:01:06] <bytram> xyzzyyzzyx, yup. could be a bad interaction with all my addons/plugins, too.
[15:11:52] <stderr> I think the real problem might be something else... It should be "Transfer-Encoding: chunked", not "chumked". :-)
[15:12:06] <stderr> And Content-Type: text/html, not .html
[15:13:16] <stderr> I'm not sure, but I think the charset should be utf-8. At least if you want all the fancy letters to work...
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[15:49:54] <bytram_afk> stderr, I had to *type* that msg as firefox was not-responding (couldn't cut and paste)...
[15:50:00] <bytram_afk> SkyNet, utf-8 makes sense.
[15:51:04] <bytram_afk> stderr, wow... I must have set that to iso-8859-1 YEARS ago! fixed. THANKS!
[15:51:21] <stderr> No problem.
[15:51:24] <bytram_afk> gotta take care of a couple things... back in 10-15 minutes
[15:54:57] <stderr> I'm out of here too... See you.
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[16:08:53] <LaminatorX> Hello.
[16:17:00] <xyzzyyzzyx> greetings
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[16:19:34] <janrinok> hi guys
[16:20:33] * xyzzyyzzyx waves
[16:21:31] <janrinok> xyzzyyzzyx: hi hows things
[16:21:40] <janrinok> ?
[16:46:25] <janrinok> LaminatorX: Your story due out at 1558 - the Dept has suffered from Unicode-itis. Can you pse correct it or let me know what it should be and I will do it?
[16:47:24] <LaminatorX> I'll take a look.
[16:47:28] <janrinok> thx
[16:49:19] <xyzzyyzzyx> janrinok: busy busy - happy 2hr deadline on some Crystal formulas <spew>
[16:49:47] <xyzzyyzzyx> and yes, accounting systems still use Crystal -_-
[16:49:50] <LaminatorX> Hmm, it looks good in preview, but then it's borked again after I update. That might just be cached though.
[16:49:52] <janrinok> xyzzyyzzyx: your story re Lexmark is due out at 16:41 UTC
[16:50:12] <xyzzyyzzyx> janrinok: huzzah! thank you sir
[16:50:31] <janrinok> a bit later than either of us would have hoped xyzzyyzzyx
[16:51:19] <janrinok> xyzzyyzzyx: My wife was taken into hospital yesterday evening (she should be home later today) so I never got to do it as I said I intended to do.
[16:51:43] <LaminatorX> Yikes! How is she doing?
[16:52:40] <janrinok> It was precautionary - although she was in considerable pain - and it should be treatable at home with the appropriate care and medication. It's why I took early retirement so not entirely unexpected.
[16:53:38] <janrinok> LaminatorX: My efforts as editor today might be a little sporadic!
[16:56:37] <LaminatorX> No worries man, priorities. Thanks for the heads-up though.
[16:57:26] <LaminatorX> I think I hit the unicode with a stick until it capitulated.
[16:57:32] <janrinok> lol
[16:59:25] <LaminatorX> What's frustrating is that if you can actually get the appropriate unicode &####; into the page, it works just fine. There's some intermediate perl-washing though that goes nuts over pasted in characters though.
[16:59:38] <LaminatorX> though though though...
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[17:03:57] <xyzzyyzzyx> janrinok: no worries, hope all is well with her long-term
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[20:14:15] <janrinok> LaminatorX: you around?
[20:26:30] <LaminatorX> Here I am, janrinok.
[20:29:38] <janrinok> LaminatorX: How did the training go today?
[20:30:35] <LaminatorX> It didn't we're aiming for tomorrow.
[20:30:48] <LaminatorX> And friday.
[20:31:16] <janrinok> OK - ignore the same question on the #staff channel. We are playing flip/flop
[20:31:23] <LaminatorX> We should probably look at another editor team meeting sometime in the next week as well, what with all the new folk.
[20:31:55] <janrinok> Good idea. I actually enjoyed having other enthusiastic people on topic yesterday.
[20:32:09] <LaminatorX> It was quite refreshing, yes.
[20:33:07] <janrinok> I'm trying to get the list down to 15 items to see if the new warning software kicks in. I'm not even sure if paulej72 has had time to do anything yet.
[20:35:14] <paulej72> janrinok: no code has been updated on production yet.
[20:35:33] <janrinok> ok thx - it was just something I wanted to try but np
[20:36:01] <janrinok> paulej72: by the way - how's things with you?
[20:36:24] <paulej72> not bad. how about you
[20:37:03] <janrinok> Personally OK, but my wife is in hospital overnight - nothing serious, just running some tests.
[20:37:47] <paulej72> I was lloking into the submission code last night to see where it does its magic on formatting the story. Unfortunately I was not able to find where it puts eveything in a quotes and <i> tags
[20:38:14] <janrinok> Why am I not surprised that it will not be straight-forward? ;)
[20:38:44] <paulej72> I hope everything turns out OK with you wife. My mom will be in soon to get a small procedure done which I hope will be unevnetfull.
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[20:39:02] <janrinok> well good luck to your Mom too
[20:42:26] <paulej72> thanks
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[20:43:05] <stderr> Any editors around? http://soylentnews.org still doesn't have a department.
[20:43:17] <janrinok> OK
[20:45:30] <janrinok> stderr - thx, but ssshh I'm not sure anyone in the community noticed...
[20:47:01] <janrinok> still waiting for the update to make its way through varnish I think...
[20:48:00] <stderr> I'm logged in. As far as I know, Varnish doesn't cache pages for people who are logged in.
[20:48:00] <LaminatorX> It's there in the preview/edit view.
[20:49:11] <janrinok> yep - I'm not sweating on it
[20:50:23] <janrinok> stderr: ok that's more your area of expertise than mine. :) As LamX said, it's there on the preview/edit view. It'll fall out the end at some point.
[20:55:58] <stderr> I don't know if they changed anything after I left, so maybe Varnish is caching more now. It probably wouldn't make much sense, since how often do the same logged-in user load the same story where there isn't any new comments?
[20:56:39] <stderr> Users who ain't logged in can use the caching since they're all seen as the same user from Varnish's point of view.
[20:56:51] <janrinok> Its appeared now, at least for me. I don't suppose Varnish has been changed so it was just a very thin tube....
[20:57:51] <janrinok> stderr: thx for that - I never was sure why Varnish was only used for non-logged-in readers. It makes sense, even to me :)
[20:58:45] <paulej72> Yea I found the template that sets up the story formating at least partially.
[20:58:59] <stderr> Works for me too now.
[20:59:32] <stderr> Anyway... I'm out again...
[20:59:36] <stderr> See you...
[20:59:41] <janrinok> cu
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[21:00:18] <janrinok> paulej72: What's the betting that there is something in there that means you end up having to modify several files....?
[21:01:31] <paulej72> janrinok: there is code in the data module that strips the formatting and white space. I have to fix that as well, but I could not find the part that adds the <i> and “s
[21:02:31] <janrinok> I knew it wouldn't be simple. My little brain would have put it all in one place, but that's probably why I'm an editor and not a systems guy
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[21:19:39] <janrinok> LaminatorX: I going to stop for a while and 'phone my other half. I'll probably be back on later, but I won't promise. If I fail to reappear, I'll see you tomorrow.
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