#dev | Logs for 2018-04-19
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[00:16:21] <Kuro> anyone else have the issue where if you click on the "Yesterday's News" link it at the bottom of the page it reloads the site then turns the YN link at the bottom of the page to "Todays news | April 17" ? This becuase the site runs on UTC and im on PST -8?
[00:23:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> Kuro, should read "< Today's News | April 16 >" with the gt/lt signs linking forwards and backwards a day
[00:24:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> except they're not being right
[00:24:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> either way, the dates are linking
[00:24:55] <Kuro> the dates work, just that in order to go back in time you need to click yesterdays news then the previou day once the site reloads
[00:25:41] <chromas> I think it was that way on /. too
[00:25:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, yeah. it only lets you go back one day at a time
[00:26:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you want a specific date you can change the numbers in the https://soylentnews.org link
[00:26:20] <exec> └─ 13SoylentNews: SoylentNews is people
[00:26:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> like https://soylentnews.org
[00:26:41] <exec> └─ 13SoylentNews: SoylentNews is people
[00:26:51] <chromas> You should change the script names to .php next april 1 :D
[00:26:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> oooooh
[00:27:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> i was kinda fond of takyon's verified check
[00:27:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> low-key but amusing
[00:27:58] <Kuro> hmmm. that I see. but on the root of the domain its the current articles. click on yesterdays news and it takes me to https://soylentnews.org
[00:27:59] <chromas> Did anyone mention it?
[00:28:01] <exec> └─ 13SoylentNews: SoylentNews is people
[00:28:17] * chromas wonders if anybody noticed the czech
[00:28:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, the server always runs on UTC
[00:28:57] <Kuro> ok so since im not on utc it acts oddly to me
[00:29:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> we only convert to your local time for article time/comment time display purposes
[00:29:38] <chromas> And in some places (but not others) in the editor pages
[00:29:46] <Kuro> got it, hence why the "set the servers local time to UTC or else things break" note in the setup guide
[00:29:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> editors are well known second class citizens
[00:31:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram only skates by because he's also a dev and admin
[01:36:43] * Bytram does a quick switching of hats before he pops into the channel
[01:37:37] * Bytram realizes that he just got home from work, is hungry, and needs to prepare a meal so doffs his current dev hat and dons his chef's chapeau
[01:37:43] <Bytram> afk biab
[12:26:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> no dev stuff happening today or tomorrow from me. the fishes is calling and my boat needs some exercise.
[21:21:27] <Kuro> Have a good time on the open waters TMB o7
[21:41:57] <Kuro> quick question, is there any built in visitor analytics in rehash or does it easily integrate with google analytics?
[21:47:59] <chromas> There was talk of adding in a self-hosted analytics system. I don't recall if it was added and/or eventually deleted, or what its name was.
[21:49:52] <chromas> Piwik, I think
[21:52:23] <Kuro> cool, thanks chromas . I guess if anything adding the google analytics to a footer or in a file somewhere would get the job done
[21:52:42] <chromas> It could, if you're running your own setup
[21:52:52] <chromas> Nobody wanted to add it to sn though because third-party
[21:53:12] <Kuro> oh yhea, I get how people would be against that
[21:53:30] <Kuro> yeah, I will be running my own instance
[21:54:04] <Kuro> matomo is what i guess the new name of piwik is
[21:54:09] <chromas> My condolences
[21:55:00] <Kuro> thank you
[21:55:39] <Kuro> wow this is pretty slick
[22:25:47] <fyngyrz> What's that, Kuo?
[22:25:51] <fyngyrz> Kuro
[22:26:06] <Kuro> mamoto aka piwik
[22:26:49] <fyngyrz> so what's done that has you impressed?
[22:28:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> Kuro, if you're not using a reverse proxy there's built in ghetto analytics. i'd use something else if i needed them for bean counters though.
[22:28:52] <Kuro> oh just that its a google analytics clone. most of the open source web analytics tools ive seen werent as nice thats all
[22:29:12] <fyngyrz> what does it do, read Apache web logs?
[22:29:45] <Kuro> Ah ok, thanks TMB. I might look into hooking GA into my install
[22:30:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> naw. if you don't have a reverse proxy it just uses the data apache gets as part of rendering the pages.
[22:30:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you do you're going to see the proxy's address.
[22:31:03] <Kuro> fyngyrz: guessing it works like GA rather than reading the logs like awstats iirc which was the name...
[22:31:38] <fyngyrz> oh, FFS, it's a "hand your data to the cloud" thing
[22:31:57] <Kuro> no not going to use a reverse proxy.
[22:32:13] <Kuro> yeah, but allows to be installed on the local box from the looks of it
[22:33:11] <fyngyrz> oh, I see... you can host it, or they will and charge you after 30 days
[22:34:06] <fyngyrz> sorry. I irrevocably instant-translate "cloud" into "insecure, and want my money"
[22:36:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> as well you should
[22:36:13] <fyngyrz> :)
[22:36:55] <fyngyrz> looks like a really space-wasting way to translate the usual log-analysis utilities, TBH
[22:37:01] <fyngyrz> screen space, I mean
[22:37:18] * fyngyrz stuck in the past
[22:39:47] <Kuro> haha thats usually the case fyngyrz
[22:40:12] <Kuro> nothing wrong with being stuck in the past
[22:41:08] <fyngyrz> that's good, because I don't see it changing. Old AND cranky.
[22:41:36] <fyngyrz> and I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
[22:41:44] <fyngyrz> GTFO my lawn
[22:41:45] <Kuro> hahahaha
[22:42:31] <fyngyrz> I am running real-time log analysis, all of which I've written myself. It'll probably do.
[22:43:02] <fyngyrz> Shows me what sites are being hit, the various attempts at hacking, etc.
[22:43:19] <fyngyrz> basically leverages "tail" for the most part
[22:43:26] <fyngyrz> then there are a few other goodies.
[22:43:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> when i was like fourteen or fifteen i noticed all the old guys sitting outside the blacksmith shop in town drinking coffee and said that's the life for me. i've been practicing to be a contrary old bastard ever since.
[22:43:38] <fyngyrz> and hey, no cloud! :)
[22:44:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> true story
[22:44:16] <fyngyrz> yes indeed. All that life experience, and that's what they chose. And fishing, of course.
[22:45:01] <fyngyrz> We finally sold our boat though, the upkeep got to be too much.
[22:47:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> john boats ftw. almost no upkeep.
[22:47:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> alls i gotta do so far is dump the leaves out once a year and make sure the battery stays charged.
[22:48:29] <fyngyrz> yeah. We had a smallish cabin cruiser with an I/O setup. Old Volvo engine. It needed pretty regular attention
[22:48:45] <fyngyrz> it's a big lake - small boats aren't a good idea
[22:50:02] <fyngyrz> 245k surface acres, 220 feet deep, and waves that can really get in your face. And your boat.
[22:51:26] <fyngyrz> we did a great deal of rock collecting on various sections of the shoreline. Lots of crystals, geodes, various fossils, some of which are okay to collect
[22:54:54] <Kuro> that sounds amazing. nothing like being one with nature on the shore of a big body of water
[22:55:15] <fyngyrz> we dug it. So to speak.
[22:55:49] <fyngyrz> we're a little too old to deal with the danger though
[22:56:22] <fyngyrz> But we do have shelves full of nice mineral specimens :)
[22:57:56] <fyngyrz> Vertebrate fossils were off-limits, but the range of inverts out there is astounding, many of them mineralized in beautiful fashion
[22:58:18] <fyngyrz> anyway. I miss the boat. Obviously, I guess. :)
[23:11:41] <fyngyrz> TheMightyBuzzard: how difficult would it be to add a couple new mod types? I'm thinking 0/Whoosh and 0/Agree (to complement the 0/Disagree)
[23:41:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> very easy but i'm not down with Agree. disagree was supposed to be there for folks who can't help thinking moderation is the place to make statements.
[23:41:36] <fyngyrz> same thing happens with "informative/insightful", though.
[23:42:06] <fyngyrz> lots of posts that are neither get modded up because, as near as I can tell, "I agree"
[23:42:32] <fyngyrz> you like whoosh though?
[23:43:25] <fyngyrz> of course, some people are just confused. I posted a funny recently that got modded "informative", which is ridiculous
[23:43:46] <fyngyrz> perhaps I'km just missing the meta-funny, though
[23:46:23] <fyngyrz> buuuuut I don't think so. :)