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[12:33:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, paulej72, and this is why i took the day off yesterday. chased a bug for over an hour monday and could not figure out wtf. sit down today fresh and it's fixed in 10m.
[12:42:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> for those curious it was a using a .= instead of an = when accepting a hashref as a returned value.
[12:57:04] * cmn32480 notes the crickets....
[13:19:38] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, I just woke up
[13:19:55] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, and this is why I love rust, because it catches shits like that as a compiler error
[13:20:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. it is very handy like that.
[13:20:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> looking forward to being done with this and getting back to MrPlow's rusty code
[13:22:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, now i gotta find out why $visible ain't getting properly set
[13:23:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha, got it. now i just gotta figure out how to do it right
[13:30:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> was checking the wrong var. fixed that and seeing what's what
[13:31:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> yay, better. now i just gotta make the double chevron not checked too
[13:42:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, breakthrough is technically working but it's not working correctly. it's breaking through if $comment->{points} >= $user->{threshold}
[13:50:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> almost there. need a smoke break though.
[14:03:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, that didn't work. it in fact broke things.
[14:12:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn, i broke it worse than i thought.
[14:21:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, that's fixed. now i'd like to have the treeshider unchecked if any kids are visible as well
[14:23:56] * TheMightyBuzzard ponders
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[14:51:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, NCommander, i think TOS is functional. see if you dig it and if you can break it.
[14:52:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> threshold and breakthrough should both be working
[14:53:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> "comment below threshold" should not however show up on parent comments of comments > breakthrough.
[14:54:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> like say someone replied to a troll and got modded up to 5, their post should be breaking through and the parent should be showing its subject but be collapsed
[14:55:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm akf for a bit now.
[15:04:08] * NCommander needs food
[15:05:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> feed yoself, hey. we got three days to debug and tweak.
[15:05:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> maybe four, depending.
[15:07:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm kinda thinking i'd like an "Explode" button too that would expand every last comment beneath the current comment but not sure it's entirely necessary
[15:08:42] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: okay, I'm poking at "Threaded-TOS"
[15:08:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> day off?
[15:09:14] <Bytram> yep, today & tomorrow...
[15:09:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> outstandin. that's plenty of debug n tweak time IMO.
[15:09:37] <Bytram> but a BIG snow storm is predicted tomortrow & I need to get groceries & turbo tax, so can't beat on it all day today
[15:09:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> i bytram'd up a bug in <spoiler> and fixed it too.
[15:10:18] <Bytram> first thing: need to change the hover text for single comment chvrons: "Expand/collapse comment"
[15:10:51] <Bytram> did you see the spoiler bug I created?
[15:11:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> i thought we were going with expand/collapse for singles and show/hide for threads
[15:11:19] <Bytram> yes, I thought that is what I said?
[15:11:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup, i used "> :first-child" instead of "*" like i should have.
[15:11:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, show/hide for threads incoming shortly
[15:12:02] <Bytram> wait a sec
[15:12:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, it's currently show/hide is what you mean
[15:12:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> roger
[15:12:22] <Bytram> comment trees currently, and correctly, have "Show/hide comment tree"
[15:12:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i'm with ya now
[15:12:50] <Bytram> k
[15:14:42] <janrinok> ~gday Bytram
[15:14:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> deploying fix. be about 30s or so.
[15:15:17] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: question.... say I load a story with T/B == 5/5 and all comments score, say, 4 or less... *AND* I have pref set to dim already read comments... what happens to those comments, none of which I have actually been able to see?
[15:15:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> they get dimmed
[15:16:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> well next time you hit the mark all as read button or hit refresh on the article main page
[15:16:28] <Bytram> so, it's not so much 'dim already *read* comments' as it is 'dim already loaded/presented comments' ??
[15:16:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[15:16:53] <Bytram> need to make that clear in the docs -- set the correct expectations
[15:16:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> so if they later show up because of subsequent mods, they'll be dimmed.
[15:17:07] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:17:24] <Bytram> hmmm, I need some bifurcating comment trees
[15:17:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> you haven't made any?
[15:17:47] * TheMightyBuzzard boggles
[15:17:49] <Bytram> not yet
[15:18:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> go manual. they don't gotta be all that deep.
[15:18:55] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard, I love it! I can see what I've read and what is new!
[15:19:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> gnawed gnawed
[15:19:09] <Bytram> hmmm, what to use for a subject for each comment ... that conveys its temporal assignment as well as its logical position? I'm just gonna stick with comment number being temporal and let the structure speack for itself
[15:19:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> thar ya go. cid already takes care of that too.
[15:19:35] <Bytram> hopefully it speacks better than I do atm!
[15:20:26] <Bytram> yes & no; cid *IS* monotonically increasing, but may have sequence gaps from comments that others posted; my comment_nnnn numbers convey slightly different info
[15:20:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> true on prod, less likely on dev
[15:21:36] <Bytram> agreed, in general, but still not assured to be the case.
[15:21:54] <Bytram> okay, I think I've got it... give me a few minutes... biab
[15:22:32] <NCommander> food was tasty
[15:22:43] * NCommander vapes contently
[15:23:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya know, finished code highs are even better than adderall
[15:25:00] <Bytram> thas for sure!
[15:25:19] <janrinok> Is there a story that I can add a comment to - they all seem to be marked 'do not touch'!
[15:26:10] <Bytram> janrinok: yes... just a sec
[15:26:30] <janrinok> or just add a comment to a story and point me at it
[15:26:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> go with the top one. we monkeyed all over it already.
[15:26:38] <Bytram> here are two:
[15:26:41] <Bytram> (1) https://dev.soylentnews.org
[15:26:43] <aqu4> ^ "320170202a - test story for submtting indented comments - Dev.SN"
[15:26:48] <Bytram> (2) https://dev.soylentnews.org
[15:26:49] <aqu4> ^ "3PLEASE! Read updates in story and check on channel #qa on IRC before making any changes - Dev.SN"
[15:29:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya know, i think ima make an explode button for both styles. for to expand+show everything below the comment you click it on.
[15:29:47] <Bytram> ummm, yes and no?
[15:30:08] <Bytram> how 'bout you splain here how that would look at work, here, before changing the (hopefully working) code
[15:30:14] <Bytram> s/at/and/
[15:30:17] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[15:30:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> well i was gonna try it on my dev vm first. been working on dev.sn outa sheer lazy.
[15:31:22] <Bytram> THAT makes much more sense
[15:31:29] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++
[15:31:29] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 5
[15:31:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> plus i need to run a test install anyway and chillax is already halfway installed. gonna have to manually run the undone sql commands.
[15:32:10] <janrinok> silly question - is there a way of ungreying a greyed out comment at user level? If reading a new comment I might want the previous comment to be highlighted again?
[15:32:19] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: sounds like good practice
[15:32:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok, newp. tis beyond our current technical capabilities.
[15:32:40] <Bytram> janrinok: excellent question, and to my knowledge, a resounding 'No."
[15:32:47] <janrinok> k thanks
[15:33:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> we'd have to log the read status of every comment for every user. currently we only log the highest cid they've read per story.
[15:33:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> much more efficient but it's limited in utility.
[15:33:44] <Bytram> well, is there a way you can disable dimming after having it enabled? IOW, all-or-nothing, but at least it is something?
[15:34:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> not on a per story basis but yes you can go into prefs and turn it off.
[15:36:40] <Bytram> you DO keep track of the CID on a per-story basis, right?
[15:37:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. per uid+story
[15:37:33] <Bytram> great!
[15:37:35] <Bytram> do you know if it works? ;)
[15:38:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. you've seen it working, no?
[15:38:49] <Bytram> not tried it explicitly, nor even looked, first-things-first
[15:38:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[15:41:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, it's primary key is (uid, discussion_id)
[15:41:33] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:43:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> pretty sure i can make an explode button
[15:43:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> oooh, i know... i'll do it in scriptish first so it's not actually on ANY server.
[15:44:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> not scriptish, stylish. it's all css
[15:45:39] <Bytram> brilliant!
[15:47:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> later though
[15:49:48] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:52:35] <janrinok> well, I've not managed to break it yet. I like it very much - but let's see what the community say. Will the dimmed comment default be on or off?
[15:52:56] <Bytram> janrinok: off, IIRC
[15:53:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> on unless you're AC
[15:53:17] <Bytram> janrinok: ^^ what he said.
[15:53:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> but it's linked in the release notes where to turn it off.
[15:53:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> which i gotta rewrite cause now we got two threaded comment modes instead of one.
[15:53:58] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: preview in story editor, does not show "[Continues...]" -- only seems to appear when reading the story after it has posted to the site.
[15:54:18] <Bytram> wait, we're keeping more than one?
[15:54:23] <janrinok> I haven't tried all the themes, but I'm sure someone will find a theme in which it doesn't work as well
[15:54:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup, TOS and TNG are both going live
[15:54:37] <Bytram> urghhhhhhhhhh!
[15:54:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> TNG is the one you been playing with for a while now
[15:55:05] <janrinok> I've played with both
[15:55:22] <janrinok> and switched between all the options without any problems
[15:55:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> "Threaded" without a suffix is the same as TNG and thus is going away soon as i write the db statements.
[15:56:28] * Bytram is getting even more and more confuzled
[15:57:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> there is literally no code difference between Threaded and Threaded-TNG.
[15:57:43] <Bytram> so... what will be in the drop-down... *exactly* ??
[15:57:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> i just needed to name Threaded something more descriptive to differentiate it from TNG
[15:57:59] <janrinok> just a thought - I feel that I would prefer (at a much later date!) a single button per story to remove the already shaded comments from the db, i.e. return to a clean story
[15:58:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> Flat, No Comments, Threaded-TNG, Threaded-TOS
[15:58:33] <Bytram> k, many thanks!
[15:59:04] janrinok is now known as janrinok_afk
[15:59:11] <Bytram> I'm posting comments atm -- plese do not bounce or otherwise bother dev for a few minutes
[15:59:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> TOS should look/function as much as possible like Improved Threaded
[15:59:25] <Bytram> automation++
[15:59:25] <Bender> karma - automation: 1
[15:59:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. i'm done unless you find me a bug to fix.
[15:59:34] <Bytram> k
[16:00:35] <Bytram> !woop
[16:00:36] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[16:00:54] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: have a look-see (no changing, please) at: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[16:00:56] <aqu4> ^ "320170215a - Test Story - Please post no comments - Bifurcation Breadth-First - Dev.SN"
[16:01:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> well i gotta put a few more db update statements in and make sure plain old "Threaded" isn't in the code anywhere anymore but only Threaded showing up in the dropdown box should change.
[16:01:10] <Bytram> each comment has two children, and those have kids, and THOSE have kids
[16:01:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> knifety
[16:02:21] <Bytram> that was breadth-first; top-level comments first, and then all the kids, and then all grand-kids, and finally all grteat-grand-kids.
[16:04:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh, looks like the lower of Threshold or Breakthrough gets used in TNG. which is fine.
[16:04:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's how i woulda designed it if i'd thought about it. which i may have done monday and forgotten.
[16:05:53] <Bytram> you're forgiven
[16:06:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> i likely forgot a lot of what i did monday.
[16:06:22] <Bytram> understandable
[16:07:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... i should get my personal LE cert updating again some time. haven't configured certbot since switching to Calculate
[16:07:52] <Bytram> k, when hide/show large comment tree that appears near end of story, browser bounces around and I lost site of the comment I was on ... I know this is not entirely clear, but just putting it out there
[16:08:14] <Bytram> load: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[16:08:16] <aqu4> ^ "320170215a - Test Story - Please post no comments - Bifurcation Breadth-First - Dev.SN"
[16:08:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. ditto annoyance if you put in a really long spoiler.
[16:08:35] <Bytram> scroll down to "Comment_0005"
[16:08:56] <Bytram> nod nod
[16:09:16] <Bytram> not much you can do about that, short of having some kind of fade-in
[16:09:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> which would be gay.
[16:10:24] <Bytram> okay, I
[16:10:41] <Bytram> I'm gonna spool up another comment tree and then get some breakfast into me
[16:10:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> yarp
[16:26:24] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Extended copy, preview of text containing <ecode>stuff \n stuff2 \n stuff3 \n ... </ecode> looses line ends after pasting in... sed s/<br>/<br>\n/g
[16:26:41] <Bytram> see: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[16:26:42] <aqu4> ^ "320170215a - Test Story - Please post no comments - Bifurcation Depth-First - Dev.SN"
[16:29:08] <Bytram> generating another 30 or so comments on a new test story... depth-first bifurcation... make a kid, visit it, make a kid, down to depth==4, and then make sibs on way back up
[16:29:35] <Bytram> then, do it one more time
[16:30:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't get too funky with it. we didn't change the comment pulling arranging logic, just the checked or unchecked status of the checkboxes that get styled as chevrons.
[16:30:39] <Bytram> hmmm, okaaaaaaaaaaay
[16:30:49] <Bytram> sod cid is ONLY involved in dimming?
[16:30:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> since the last time you tested it i mean
[16:31:02] <Bytram> well, I never did finish THAT part
[16:31:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> hmm?
[16:31:23] <Bytram> cid is used in dimming, anywhere else?
[16:31:38] <Bytram> also in hide/show expand/collapse comments, right?
[16:31:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope
[16:31:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's entirely css
[16:32:18] <Bytram> just making sure your sib/parent/child exand/collapse/hide/show stuff works; never finished testing that
[16:32:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> well the initial state is set in perl but the hiding showing expanding collapsing is done via css
[16:32:30] <Bytram> undertstood it is css
[16:32:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> none of which uses cid
[16:32:48] <Bytram> orly? brb
[16:34:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's based on the threshold and highlightthresh of the comment and in the case of TOS on the score of comments below it in the thread.
[16:34:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> $comment->{points}
[16:35:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> and $user->{threshold} and $user->{highlightthresh}
[16:36:12] <Bytram> okay, I'm seeing HTML IDs of: "comment_cid" and "tree_cid"
[16:36:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> in TOS if any child hits Breakthrough, it should be expanded and you should see the subject+etc of all comments directly above it instead of "Comment Below Threshold".
[16:37:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i don't think we actually use those for anything.
[16:38:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> we would if we were writing the css on the fly but we're not.
[16:39:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> except possibly to jump to as an anchor after posting/moderating
[16:39:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> not entirely sure on that
[16:41:22] <Bytram> hmmm, strange... we go through buncha work to create a unique ID for each comment / tree, but I do not see us using it in the css...
[16:41:50] <Bytram> I think you are right that it might be used as an anchor for returning after post/mod as you said
[16:42:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's prolly why the comment_cid. no idea on the tree_cid
[16:42:57] <Bytram> maybe just for completeness sake? while you're at it, might as well put in while you've got it figured out... rather than try to sort it out and add it in later
[16:43:11] <Bytram> Imean "you" in the general sense, btw, not YOU
[16:43:27] <Bytram> that's something that I would certainly do, just-in-casre
[16:43:44] <Bytram> okay... break time, and I still have not had breakfast yet.
[16:44:05] <Bytram> hmmm
[16:46:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> put what in?
[16:46:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> you mean take out the tree_id since it's unused?
[16:46:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> or put in a comment?
[17:07:59] <Bytram> sry, whayt I meant was, if *I* were coding this, and I had gone through the trouble of uniquely IDing each comment, I'd also uniquely ID each comment tree... while the code was fresh in my mind
[17:09:11] <Bytram> creating a test story, clone of 20170215a; same structure, but intended for folks to be able to moderate (but NOT post comments)
[17:09:39] <Bytram> 14 of 30 comments posted
[17:10:17] <Bytram> 23 of 30
[17:10:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> ah, roger
[17:11:02] <Bytram> done!
[17:12:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> try modding a bottom-level comment up past breakthrough in TOS, i wanna make sure it only completely expands that one branch.
[17:13:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> the logic in my head says it should but i'm not certain if i did brain to source translation perfectly
[17:13:51] <Bytram> that's what I'm getting to... patience!
[17:14:15] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[17:14:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> that specific situation is the only one i can think of that i didn't check while building it
[17:19:30] <Bytram> bah! automation blew up on 4th test story.
[17:20:37] <Bytram> I forgot to provide nexus/topic
[17:22:00] <Bytram> okay, now we're cooking
[17:22:09] <Bytram> 5 of 30
[17:22:53] <Bytram> 14 of 30
[17:23:33] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: while this one is being generated, I have this other one ready for you to moderate to your heart's content: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[17:23:35] <aqu4> ^ "320170215c - Test Story - Please Moderate - Bifurcation Breadth-First - Dev.SN"
[17:23:37] <Bytram> 24 of 30
[17:24:17] <Bytram> 30 of 30!
[17:24:34] <Bytram> and another one for ya: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[17:24:36] <aqu4> ^ "320170215d - Test Story - Please Moderate but Post No Comments - Bifurcation Depth-First - Dev.SN"
[17:26:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> shit, breakthrough didn't
[17:27:28] <Bytram> there are now 2 *identical* copies of each story, comment-wise... one with "flat" moderation -- i.e. no moderation or comments, and another one you can moderate to your heart's content to compare results
[17:27:43] <Bytram> there are now 2 *identical* copies of each story, comment-wise... one with "flat" moderation -- i.e. no moderation, and another one you can moderate to your heart's content to compare results
[17:27:52] * TheMightyBuzzard scratches his noggin
[17:28:20] <Bytram> okay... I really need to get some food, do some shopping, and then I can get that out of my mind before the snow flies here
[17:28:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> blerg, some broken logic in there somewheres
[17:30:19] <Bytram> remember, there are other test stories I put up there like with 200 comments; please don't change 'em, but they may prove helpful in isolating any problems.
[17:31:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> going back into the logic to see why breakthrough stopped working
[17:32:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> actually, going to have a smoke. i'll ponder on it when i get back.
[17:35:17] <Bytram> and... there is also test_user_0006 (as well as the normal Anonymous Coward) to use, too... test_user_0006 SHOULD be == AC, except is a registered user; rest of user options are strictly default.
[17:38:44] <Bytram> okay... back in a couple hours or so... good luck!
[17:39:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, my turn now
[17:41:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> newp, not quite right...
[17:55:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> stupid recursion
[17:55:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> boo and yah. i'm not happy with that variable name though
[18:00:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, it's passing visibility up the thread properly now as far as i can tell.
[18:05:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, give https://dev.soylentnews.org a look when you have time. need to know if it's aesthetically workable for you and if you can find any bugs.
[18:05:04] <aqu4> ^ "320170215c - Test Story - Please Moderate but Post No Comments - Bifurcation Breadth-First - Dev.SN"
[18:05:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> mostly the aesthetics. i think it's bug free now.
[18:13:05] * chromas posts a comment
[18:14:21] <chromas> The "(1)" could maybe use an explanation
[18:16:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> what (1)?
[18:17:03] <chromas> Just above the top comment
[18:17:17] <chromas> I think it's for Page 1 but it doesn't say so
[18:17:24] janrinok_afk is now known as janrinok
[18:17:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, page numbers. i like having 1 even if there's only one page
[18:17:48] <chromas> Sure but maybe it could say that's what it is or summin'
[18:17:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> might add Page: before it
[18:18:19] <chromas> Or do the classic [First | 1 | Last ] thing
[18:18:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> screw conformity!
[18:19:00] <chromas> Do it like Google. "Soyyyyyyyyyylent"
[18:19:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> har!
[18:19:35] <chromas> It does look pretty good though. I see the chevrons are aligned
[18:19:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> Booooobs
[18:19:46] <chromas> or orientated
[18:19:48] <chromas> Yes
[18:20:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> we'd need at least 5 pages for every story though.
[18:20:56] <chromas> Do it. Get those ad impressions!
[18:22:08] * TheMightyBuzzard whips up a banner for his amateur breast exams business
[18:23:08] <chromas> If you're getting paid, you're a professional. Sweet, you're a pro? Sign me up!
[18:23:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'a valid point
[18:24:00] <janrinok> I like the return to comment after moderation!
[18:24:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> me too. i'm much proud of pj on that one.
[18:25:19] <chromas> It doesn't preserve context though. -1, Disagree
[18:25:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> hmmm?
[18:25:41] <chromas> Like if I open a comment in a new tab and moderate it, then it loads the whole thread
[18:25:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh preserve expansion/collapshion?
[18:25:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> moderate on the same page.
[18:26:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> it takes you back same as commenting does
[18:26:10] <chromas> I think comments do the same
[18:26:25] <chromas> So if I wanna comment then I have to reload the whole page
[18:26:31] * chromas asses up your hard work
[18:26:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup, live with it
[18:27:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you wanna moderate something you can click on the comment id and open it in a new tab
[18:28:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> ditto replying
[18:28:24] <chromas> That's what I meant
[18:28:33] <chromas> but then it loads the whole comment thread after
[18:28:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> but yeah, i can't make it save what you've expanded/shrunk
[18:28:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, it's sposed to.
[18:28:57] <chromas> Needs javascript
[18:29:06] * TheMightyBuzzard shoots chromas dead 💥🔫
[18:29:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> me, ima use TNG not TOS
[18:30:21] <chromas> I bet that would be lost on people using emojis that face the other way
[18:30:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> it only collapses the comments individually not the threads.
[18:31:14] <chromas> Nah, I don't mean the comment folding, just loading the entire set of comments on a story after replying to one that was open alone in a tab
[18:31:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh
[18:31:39] <chromas> But then you'd have to make it know where it came from. sounds like work
[18:31:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> slightly. we should make paulej72 do it before release.
[18:32:53] <chromas> You'll have enough months to do it in time ;)
[18:33:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> fuck that, we're rolling out this weekend.
[18:33:30] <chromas> fuck that, we're rolling out 12 blades!
[18:33:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> fuck that, we're rolling out the barrel!
[18:33:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> #yt roll out the barrel
[18:33:57] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[18:33:58] <aqu4> ^ "3Roll Out The Barrel - YouTube"
[18:34:51] * TheMightyBuzzard wanders off to have himself a nap
[18:39:00] * NCommander has chocolate doom cross-compiling
[18:39:01] <NCommander> yay
[18:40:28] <chromas> that is some dark chocolate, my friend </fake russian accent>
[18:40:31] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, I'm having serious trouble visualizing how this will work on production
[18:40:39] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, I'm sorta tempted to reset the dev database with prod
[18:41:50] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, changing between Threaded-TOS/Threaded-TNG is not reliably saving for me
[18:41:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> saving what?
[18:42:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> mode?>
[18:42:55] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, yeah. ALso, nothing is collapsing and I'm getting horridous loading lag: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[18:43:02] <aqu4> ^ "3Unconfirmed Purchase Transaction Reported - Dev.SN"
[18:43:57] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, unless I've gone crazy, with 0/4, the top two comments should be expanded, and the rest below should be collasped
[18:44:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, hang tight, lemme check
[18:44:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> that one should load slow with as many comments as it has but i promise you it's a fuckton faster than it would load on prod.
[18:45:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, with the link you gave me: Threshold=0 and Breakthrough=4 most all of them should be expanded.
[18:45:38] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, https://soylentnews.org - it loads faster on prod
[18:45:47] <aqu4> ^ "3Unconfirmed Purchase Transaction Reported - SoylentNews"
[18:46:15] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, threshold is when a comment disappears, breakthrough is when it auto-expands. I'm seeing what I expect on production with the same settings
[18:46:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, over 20s load time for me on prod. 10 on dev.
[18:46:34] <NCommander> https://soylentnews.org
[18:46:41] <aqu4> ^ "3SoylentNews Comments | Unconfirmed Purchase Transaction Reported"
[18:46:48] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, odd. it loads a LOT faster here
[18:47:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> AC?
[18:47:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause ACs get that shiz varnish cached.
[18:48:05] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, no logged in
[18:48:20] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, production: 6 seconds to fully load in and DOM complete. Dev is 9
[18:48:28] <NCommander> (using Chrome timeline to waterfall)
[18:48:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> threshold = anything >= this should be shown unless it's in a collapsed tree. breakthrough = show this even if the tree it's in is collapsed.
[18:48:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> is that not what's happening?
[18:49:15] <NCommander> No, comments always start collapsed. With current behavior, they auto-expand if they're a root comment *or* they breakthrough
[18:49:37] * TheMightyBuzzard scratches his head
[18:49:38] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, all the comments on the dev article are expanded for me regardless of breakthrough
[18:49:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, search "score: -1"
[18:50:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> they should be collapsed
[18:50:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> so you want all root comments expanded is what you're saying?
[18:50:28] <NCommander> No, you're missing the point
[18:50:44] <NCommander> Threshold is when a comment is moderated out of existence, and doesn't show up at all aside from the X comments line
[18:51:02] <NCommander> A comment is *always* folded unless it's >= breakthrough
[18:51:39] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, it might be lithium shitting itself, but dev is loading comments *much* slower for me than prod.
[18:51:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahhh, okay.
[18:52:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> well it's swapping. that could have something to do with it.
[18:52:18] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, I sorta like having root comments auto-expand, but I am to experiment with it. That might be a good differenation between TNG/TOS
[18:52:28] <NCommander> (is our next revamp going to be DS9?)
[18:52:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> also has 500m free though.
[18:52:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> if we do another, probably
[18:53:02] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, it should still be in the mysql hotcache though
[18:53:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> i just have that predictable kind of sense of humor
[18:53:34] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, you get banned when Commenting-ENT appears
[18:53:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> no lurve for the theme song, eh?
[18:54:09] <NCommander> Actually, I didn't mind it
[18:54:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll admit, it did make me want to throat punch someone.
[18:54:25] <NCommander> Season 1-2 was crap. Three was OK but fucking slow. I actually enjoyed parts of 4 except "All The Voyages"
[18:54:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> trek songs just should not have words.
[18:55:01] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, technically the TOS theme had them; Gene Roddenbury included them so he could collect royalties on it and screw the theme writer
[18:55:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, the first of it was slow. it's prolly my third favorite trek series though
[18:55:11] <NCommander> They never made them to it air though
[18:55:17] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, DS9 is my favorite
[18:55:26] <NCommander> VOY had some of my favorite episodes, but on the whole it was rather weak.
[18:55:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> i couldn't dig on the spirituality aspects of it but man did i lurve the klingon bits.
[18:55:47] <NCommander> TNG for me just hasn't aged well. I find it less favorably as years go on
[18:56:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup.
[18:56:02] <NCommander> It also peaked Season 3/4.
[18:56:14] <NCommander> 5-7 were not really up to the same scratch
[18:56:17] * TheMightyBuzzard ponders
[18:56:28] <NCommander> Ironically, Encounter At Farpoint remains one of my all time favorite episodes though
[18:57:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> ooooh, that's a 2014 article. it uses old code to pull comments. it should be slow still.
[18:57:58] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, well I needed an article with real comments :)
[18:58:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> only stories forward of... um... some time last year will show the real speed improvement.
[18:58:35] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, GTMetrix says dev loads faster a second faster on that article
[18:58:45] <NCommander> https://gtmetrix.com
[18:58:46] <aqu4> ^ "3Latest Performance Report for: https://dev.soylentnews.org | GTmetrix"
[18:58:53] <NCommander> https://gtmetrix.com
[18:58:54] <aqu4> ^ "3Latest Performance Report for: https://soylentnews.org | GTmetrix"
[18:59:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> try https://dev.soylentnews.org
[18:59:24] <aqu4> ^ "3Hang Many Comments Here - Dev.SN"
[19:00:07] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, ... and it loaded with Threshold/Breakthrough == 0
[19:00:12] <NCommander> my preferences are set to 0/4
[19:00:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> that link i just sent?
[19:00:39] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, yeah
[19:00:52] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: IIRC our new code does not work on old stories, correct
[19:00:57] <NCommander> And my scores in preferences are set correctly
[19:01:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> loaded 2:5 for me
[19:01:21] <NCommander> Worked on second load
[19:01:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, correct except for the template hardcoding.
[19:01:30] <NCommander> Initial page load when no comments are read?
[19:02:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, oddball behavior. see if you can get it to reproduce like in another browser?
[19:02:13] * NCommander fires firefox
[19:02:31] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, also that grey has to go. My eyes will jump out of my head, drive to TN, and murder you in your sleep :). Maybe instead of grey on grey, we change the red.
[19:02:45] <NCommander> So the text remains black but the comment box is different looking
[19:03:16] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, loaded 0:0 on Firefox
[19:03:24] <NCommander> as AC
[19:03:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, i think AC is set to 0:0 on dev
[19:04:08] <NCommander> ah
[19:04:21] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, can't reproduce it now. I'll keep looking
[19:04:45] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, my issue with making the old comments change color is they pop more than new comments because its a break in the site theme
[19:04:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> tng is not correctly collapsing comments on page!=1 though
[19:05:10] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, I'm going to glaze right over the new stuff because the old stuff catches my eye
[19:05:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> tos does though
[19:05:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, weird, yo.
[19:06:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, i can get TOS functioning like live i'm pretty sure. should have most of it squared away already.
[19:07:08] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: do we want to make the user selectable new badge/and-or/comment dimming
[19:07:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i think we do
[19:08:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you wanna work on that from my directory on dev while i have me a nap, rock on
[19:08:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> otherwise i'll monkey with that after i get awake again.
[19:08:37] <paulej72> I can work on it tonight, but I am busy at work right now.
[19:09:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, i get that collapsing as you'd expect on live and throw in a selectable dimming/badge doodad you're cool to sign off on it, bugs excepted?
[19:09:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, roger. i'll leave it for you then and get TNG playing correctly.
[19:11:14] * NCommander has no idea what horrid things you've done in Perl so I'm only good for QA :/
[19:12:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, we can occasionally move pretty fast around here. or not.
[19:12:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> but re above... those are your main sticking points?
[19:13:05] <paulej72> Can somone post up a list of current issues with the new threading so I have something to work off of
[19:14:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> TNG or TOS? only thing wrong with TNG i think is &page is not correctly being passed like &threshold and &highlightthresh.
[19:14:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh and it's borking on collapsing things on page 2
[19:14:32] <NCommander> Part of me is thinking when we deploy though we default to TOS for now so the community can give feedback on TNG
[19:14:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'fine by me
[19:15:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> TNG i expect to be a work in progress and i plan on saying so
[19:17:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> posting up issues right now
[19:17:47] <NCommander> ++
[19:17:51] * NCommander is debating on lunch
[19:18:27] <janrinok> go for it NC - have a big one!
[19:20:48] * NCommander has the ability to rapidly cross-compile doom for multiple architectures at once
[19:20:52] <NCommander> Yay for my project getting somewhere
[19:22:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> neato
[19:25:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, outstanding issues are posted to dev as stories.
[19:26:07] * TheMightyBuzzard heads off for his nap an hour later than planned
[19:42:53] <NCommander> Food makes me happy
[19:47:44] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard, when you awake from your slumbers, could you make the new nexus Reviews rather than Books, then it will cover all relevant original-source material?
[19:48:09] <janrinok> e.g books, games, plays, films etc
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[22:03:56] * TheMightyBuzzard gets back at it
[22:13:26] * Bytram has been trying to get back at it, but has completely run out of energy.
[22:14:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, no worries. hard to debug while i'm changing things.
[22:36:22] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: you there?
[22:36:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> slightly. head in code.
[22:36:45] <Bytram> just saw some weird stuff on dev -- are you playing with it? See: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[22:36:47] <aqu4> ^ "320170215d - Test Story - Please Moderate but Post No Comments - Bifurcation Depth-First - Dev.SN"
[22:36:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, see above about getting back at it.
[22:37:05] <Bytram> k
[22:37:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> also, i apparently broke Flat
[22:37:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> but that'll be easy to fix.
[22:39:17] <Bytram> for posterity, what I saw at the comment for where I expected to see comments, was, instead:
[22:39:18] <Bytram> HASH(0x8e72ee8)HASH(0x8088958)HASH(0x8d8c020)HASH(0x8b043b8)HASH(0x95f9c78)HASH(0x8b07788)HASH(0x8747340)HASH(0x8fdcea8)HASH(0x95fe970)HASH(0x9507d80)HASH(0x95e1450)HASH(0x808a788)HASH(0x95f7f38)HASH(0x9079a18)HASH(0x95fa848)HASH(0x9302dc0)HASH(0x8092d00)HASH(0x808acc8)HASH(0x95e1360)HASH(0x808aa88)HASH(0x950e810)HASH(0x95faa20)HASH(0x808a2a8)HASH(0x808d890)HASH(0x929bf08)HASH(0x808dfe0)HASH(0x8092580)HASH(0x808e088)HASH(0x951a528)HASH(0x87a52
[22:39:18] <Bytram> d0)
[22:39:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah. .= instead of = somewhere
[22:39:55] <Bytram> umm, that was what I was reporting, a problem with 'Flat' mode with T:-1 and B:-1
[22:40:01] <Bytram> nod nod
[22:40:48] <Bytram> fyi: I removed my sig on dev so the comments should be much shorter vertically
[23:26:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> WOOT! think i got TNG to be NCommander approveable. fading aside and broken flat aside.
[23:27:41] * NCommander approves TheMightyBuzzard's fading maneuver
[23:27:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's on the list but one thing at a time.
[23:28:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> fuck. for some reason it keeps going squirrely on page two
[23:30:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, ima dubmass. had it in the wrong mode.
[23:30:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, the page links reset your non-default mode/threshold/breakthrough.
[23:31:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> on account of they just don't send em.
[23:31:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> craft the url manually and it works peachy
[23:32:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, okay, now comment-layout-wise... is this more or less what you were looking for? https://dev.soylentnews.org
[23:32:53] <aqu4> ^ "3Hang Many Comments Here - Dev.SN"
[23:33:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> if it's significantly different in layout than prod, i can't see it aside from gathering below-threshold links together which we can't do.
[23:34:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> "N replies below your threshold" i mean
[23:35:51] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: NCommander: I'm not understanding how Threshold (T) and Breakthrough (B) are supposed to work. How is choosing: {T:x, B:y} different from {T:min(x,y), B:<anything>}
[23:36:41] * Bytram clicks TMB's link
[23:36:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, in TOS they're supposed to work exactly like prod. in TNG it's supposed to show any comment that's >= either threshold or breakthrough
[23:37:30] <Bytram> so how is Threaded on dev different from Threaded on prod?
[23:37:39] <Bytram> oh, wait
[23:37:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, on prod, threshold controls only whether the comment should be hidden behind a "comment below your threshold" message.
[23:38:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> all top-level comments should be expanded, first level comments should have both chevrons facing up.
[23:38:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> unless they hit breakthrough
[23:39:18] <Bytram> contemplating
[23:39:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> any comment that hits breakthrough should be displayed and cause all its parents to have the double chevron in the show position
[23:39:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> though they should be collapsed unless they hit breakthrough or are a TLC
[23:40:41] <Bytram> wait... so if I have a tree of: toplevel comment; score 0, child -1, grandkid 2, and I have breakthrough set to 2, then ALL of those comments are expanded?
[23:40:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> no
[23:40:57] <Bytram> goood!
[23:41:10] <Bytram> TopLevelComment is expanded, cause it's top level
[23:41:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> the thread should show but only grandkid and toplevel should show
[23:41:20] <Bytram> grandkid, cause it meets the breakthrough
[23:41:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> roger
[23:41:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's as prod
[23:41:31] <Bytram> and the kid should be collapsed
[23:41:54] <Bytram> or is that hidden?
[23:42:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> collapsed expanded for comments. show/hide for threads. i think
[23:42:19] <Bytram> whatever you call the title-only form of the comment
[23:42:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, what i said.
[23:43:05] <Bytram> hmm, that is neither of Hide/Show NOR of Expand/Collapse
[23:43:22] <Bytram> is further complicated that ALL of *MY* comments are always fully expanded
[23:43:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> not in TOS
[23:44:03] <Bytram> ok, which one is YOURS?
[23:44:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> at least they shouldn't be
[23:44:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> if they are it's a bug.
[23:45:18] <Bytram> can we please choose different genre's? Make one of 'em B5 or SW or Dune or something *other* than Star Trek
[23:45:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> trek hater
[23:46:18] <Bytram> my brain reads "Threaded" (okay) "star trek reference", okay, and then gets lost!
[23:46:32] <Bytram> that's the problem I LIKE star trek
[23:46:41] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[23:46:47] <Bytram> I watched the TOS when it was on prime time in original release
[23:46:54] <Bytram> is why I got into programming in the first place
[23:46:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> we can make the looks like prod version just Threaded if you like
[23:47:28] <Bytram> okay are any of the choices on dev exactly like what we have on prod right now?
[23:47:41] <Bytram> I thought that was the "Threaded" choice
[23:48:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> no but TOS should be functionally equivalent except for grouping collapsed comments into N comments below your threshold
[23:48:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> we already went over this. Threaded is nothing. it is an artifact that should not even be functioning.
[23:49:51] <Bytram> I apologize; like I said I was confused...
[23:49:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[23:50:07] <Bytram> so is there any reason we still have Threaded as a choice?
[23:50:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i haven't gotten rid of it yet.
[23:50:46] <Bytram> it's just a few too many permutations for me to keep in my brain at one time, and when things page out, so to speak, I lose context and fail to envision the whole big picture
[23:51:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> ignore Threaded then. simplifies.
[23:51:27] <Bytram> It's like I can see any 5 of the 9 things, just not all at once, and depending on which of the 5 I'm looking at... well, confusion ensues.
[23:51:33] <Bytram> k
[23:52:16] <Bytram> and.. TOS is LIKE prod, 'cept "n comments below threshold" is rreplaced by showing the title-only version of those same comments
[23:52:30] <Bytram> and TNG is... ugh.
[23:52:46] <Bytram> what you are working on!
[23:52:48] <Bytram> =)
[23:53:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, comments below threshold should show as Comment Below Threshold on TOS. with a note out beside if someone's replied to them
[23:54:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> unless: they are a top level comment or are the direct ancestors of a comment that hit breakthrough.